Comments on: Gay Marriage, Or: Abusing the legal system in any which way you want to http://halffull.org/2004/02/21/gay-marriage-or-abusing-the-legal-system-in-any-which-way-you-want-to/ distributed humor Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:07:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: hulk http://halffull.org/2004/02/21/gay-marriage-or-abusing-the-legal-system-in-any-which-way-you-want-to/#comment-84 hulk Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:14:28 +0000 http://halffull.org/2004/02/21/gay-marriage-or-abusing-the-legal-system-in-any-which-way-you-want-to/#comment-84 <p>It's not separate but equal. It's a flat out no, you can't have marriage, but you can have something else that's nowhere near the same but that's all you can have because marriage is a man+woman=children=family. But that's still not my beef here. My beef is judges legislating from the bench because of their arrogance to make things up, like violating constitutional law doesn't cause "irreparable harm", and mayor's who decide they're gonna do whatever the hell they want, fuck the law, and a governor who refuses to enforce the laws of his state by sending the state police to stop the violation of the law and instead requests that the Attorney General look into the matter. This is my freaking problem. Civil servants can't go ignoring laws they don't like because of their personal beliefs!</p> It’s not separate but equal. It’s a flat out no, you can’t have marriage, but you can have something else that’s nowhere near the same but that’s all you can have because marriage is a man+woman=children=family. But that’s still not my beef here. My beef is judges legislating from the bench because of their arrogance to make things up, like violating constitutional law doesn’t cause “irreparable harm”, and mayor’s who decide they’re gonna do whatever the hell they want, fuck the law, and a governor who refuses to enforce the laws of his state by sending the state police to stop the violation of the law and instead requests that the Attorney General look into the matter. This is my freaking problem. Civil servants can’t go ignoring laws they don’t like because of their personal beliefs!

]]> By: izzat http://halffull.org/2004/02/21/gay-marriage-or-abusing-the-legal-system-in-any-which-way-you-want-to/#comment-83 izzat Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:13:32 +0000 http://halffull.org/2004/02/21/gay-marriage-or-abusing-the-legal-system-in-any-which-way-you-want-to/#comment-83 <p>Hoooh, boy. Here we go.</p> <p>There are people whose lifestyles and choices I don't agree with. Even though I want them to shut up and go away and stop their polka music, or their declaration that Velveeta is the best cheese, or their insistence on producing shows like "My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance," they have a right to do what they choose. Similarly, two people have the right to do as they choose in their bedroom, so long as they don't break laws regarding consent, legal age, murder, and so on.</p> <p>We could offer gay couples civil unions under which they would be given the same protections as any other married couple, but it's a nomenclature issue. It's sort of like saying separate but equal is okay. And we all know how well that worked out. I honestly believe that if we offer civil unions, the power of a civil union will be chipped away until it's just a token gesture. Separate but equal has never worked for long, if it has ever worked at all.</p> <p>The decision of each religious group to offer or withhold blessings to a same-sex couple is the choice of that religious group. However, the decision of the government should be the decision that will protect and uphold the rights of the majority of its citizens. Allowing gay marriage will not cheapen or lessen hetero marriage, restrict the rights of hetero couples, or cause problems for heteros except in an ideological sense. Therefore, the only logical step is to allow gay marriage to be legalized by the government.</p> Hoooh, boy. Here we go.

There are people whose lifestyles and choices I don’t agree with. Even though I want them to shut up and go away and stop their polka music, or their declaration that Velveeta is the best cheese, or their insistence on producing shows like “My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance,” they have a right to do what they choose. Similarly, two people have the right to do as they choose in their bedroom, so long as they don’t break laws regarding consent, legal age, murder, and so on.

We could offer gay couples civil unions under which they would be given the same protections as any other married couple, but it’s a nomenclature issue. It’s sort of like saying separate but equal is okay. And we all know how well that worked out. I honestly believe that if we offer civil unions, the power of a civil union will be chipped away until it’s just a token gesture. Separate but equal has never worked for long, if it has ever worked at all.

The decision of each religious group to offer or withhold blessings to a same-sex couple is the choice of that religious group. However, the decision of the government should be the decision that will protect and uphold the rights of the majority of its citizens. Allowing gay marriage will not cheapen or lessen hetero marriage, restrict the rights of hetero couples, or cause problems for heteros except in an ideological sense. Therefore, the only logical step is to allow gay marriage to be legalized by the government.

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